Hi everyone I am not trying to say that angoras are not appealing they are, every animal is in his own way a beautiful animal and if you have them you should give them all the love they need, what I am trying to say is that it is time we stopped playing at being god and thinking that we have the right to create, that right should be left to nature and if she produces a different sort or color animal we should love it but not try to recreate it for the simple reason that when nature makes a gene fault there are often more than one fault and when we breed for that lovely fault we also breed in the other faults, leave creation to mother nature and be satisfied with what she gives us instead of always trying to have somthing better than the next door neighbors, Brain if you really want an angora get one from a shelter, one that is already in need of a new home, at least then you won't be telling breeders that we want them to go on with misusing animals. And for those of you who don't know what the breeders do with the kits from the normal mum, they are disposed of Stephenie [Posted in FML issue 4331]