>Science points to a/c being vodoo like. Hey, are you saying that my voodoo isn't real? :-) (No, I don't practice voodoo, though I'm sure there are plenty of islanders who would love to argue with you over that statement.) Any *true* science has to maintain an open mind on the issue. We have no concrete proof one way or the other, and without that the issue cannot be decided. The inability to prove that such abilities exist does not constitute proof that they do not. (The same can be said of voodoo, btw.) Any true scientist realizes that there is no answer without proof. Unfortunately there are those who refuse to entertain any notion that they cannot touch or see, anything that does not manifest itself physically in ways they can measure. Let us not forget that at one time it was "true" that the Earth was flat, that the Earth was the center of the universe, that protons, electrons and neutrons were the smallest possible particles, that Mustela putorius furo was a valid subspecies of ferret, and so on, and so on. It was only after we developed ways to measure these things that we discovered differently. I'll agree with you on one minor point...you can't have "fact" without proof, and in absence of that proof, a/c cannot be "fact." That does not mean it cannot be real, however. We have to be as equally skeptical of those who claim that "of course it can't be true" as of those who claim "of course it is true." (And remember that "skeptical" means "I'm not convinced," not, "you're wrong.") As someone once pointed out to me, this is a ferret list, not a science list, but sometimes it is useful to think about ferret issues scientifically. roger & the wolverine wannabees missing bear [Posted in FML issue 4089]