This rocks! This would help skittish deaf ferrets also. Bob, your steps are similar to the ones that I have privately told people via email ... but you do it so much better (of course). You have it down to a science and forget nothing. Ferreters, many biters that are deaf, are fear biters and this method can work! Okay? Bob, I had one biter that was seemingly ... well impossible for me to touch due to the severe biting. I just could not do it ... blood, tearing, not letting go, etc. I was only 16 at the time. My mother got pet handling gloves for me from the rehab center nearby. I used them for a while first. It gave me confidence, and made me extremely calm around the biter which in turn calmed them. Before things seemed to go in circles despite the fact that I was doing everything else right. The ferret could sense my tears, could sense my tensing, fear, etc. It was like a viscous circle ya know? The gloves changed everything. I had them off in no time. What are you thoughts in extreme circumstances ... with the limited use of gloves? Wolfy Wolfy's site has MOVED to: http://wolfysluv.jacksnet.com/ [Posted in FML issue 4103]