I have found the lifesaver of cleaners. I've been meaning to post for about six months about this, and I keep forgeting. The new vinagar Windex is absolutely wonderful (not the old amonia one, that one is counterproductive). I swear it takes urine odors off of linoleum, and the cage bottoms. Ever since we switched to this cleaner, things have been even better than what they were. We use it on the floor, liter boxes (though when we fully wash a box, we use bleach instead), cages, and cage trays/bottoms twice a day. It's so convient too,,,, this spray bottle and paper towels are all you need. :) Just make sure the ferts area way from you until it dries. The vapors/aroma is very mild though. Wolfy Wolfy's site has MOVED to: http://wolfysluv.jacksnet.com/ [Posted in FML issue 4064]