No, Sheila it was not Pasco but his brother and as the father of this litter and his two son's died at such a young age, I have done something that I would not have consider in the past, that was to have all of Pasco's sisters spayed even though I was going to breed from one of them next year. Pasco only produced one litter all hobs, the two I gave to friends have been castrated and the third one that I kept and I have now had him vasectomised. I have no reason not to keep him as a usefull animal. As responsible breeder I will not breed from any animal knowing it has a defect in its line, the defect in this line only came to light this year and the fact that I did not breed or own the farther as he was owned by a friend who owns works ferret, so that should have been a good enough out cross for my breeding line. http://www.geocities.com/houseferrets13uk/index.html=20 Tony [Posted in FML issue 3973]