Kokie sounds like a Kookie guy! To keep your barriers reasonable, you know so you can get over them too, take a round hard cardboard tube, that black plastic drain pipe or anything hard and round, cut it lengthwise and put it over the top of the barrier. Kokie won't be able to get his grip to hurl himself over the barrier. Works for my 2 jump masters Frankie and Poncho! I hope that helps. Kim the Oregon one Kim Reyes Residential Specialist John L. Scott Real Estate Direct: (503) 380-4195 Toll Free 1-877-490-2595 http://www.kimreyes.com [log in to unmask] [Posted in FML issue 3844]