As you know by now we are dealing with some very recalcitrant and bad ferret "accident" locations. A local vet's office recommended something that Steve says was the "something" green so we'll check that out, too. Heard from Ron who had a really bad one that Oxyclean carpet stain cleaner worked on in three uses, and from Ardith who recommends something called *Out Old Icky Poo* or *Icky Poo Out*. We haven't tried those, even though we tried all of the standards and some non-standards, many of which are way to perfumed for anyone with allergies. Natures Miracle was especially hard on our allergies for both of us. The Consumer Relations department of Vetoquinol wrote me back a note saying that they don't have any products like this, then later I guess they realized that they own the two divisions which make Equalizer (the one that worked so very well here) because they wrote back with the same contact number for their Consumer Division that I used yesterday. They REALLY need to figure out consumer relations: need to have a map so that purchasers can see where they can buy their products locally, need a catalog list for those who want to buy from catalogs, etc. Foster & Smith (Smith and Foster?) was a BIG HELP; their consumer relations dept. is excellent! (Vetoquinol should get rid of their's and then hire some F&S folks to reorganize their consumer dept for them.) F&S got back to me with info about "See Spot Out" to help me compare the two. "See Spot Out" is listed as a stain remover but not an odor remover; it's two ingredients that have to listed are the same ones as in "Equalizer" and it is made by Tomlyn which is the other Division aside from EVSCO that Vetoquinol bought from IGI. (Yes, the same place as Nutrical and Nutristat.) The upshot is that "See Spot" Out may be the same thing or may be similar. I just heard back from JB Wholesale which has been reassured by the sales dept at Vetoquinol that "Equalizer" and "See Spot Go" have the same formulation, and they can special order a case for us. The price is affordable enough that it is worth it to us. Equalizer takes a long time to dry, but it worked on something nothing else touched. Rather than have a list over-run with replies about this I am asking for private replies, and sending on only those things which are out of the norm and may be useful for others but hard to find otherwise. Eight year old Warp is on her last legs. Her vet and a consulted vet oncologist have worked up a cocktail of meds to keep her comfy and when it no longer works we'll have to say goodbye. So much is so wrong, though, that she may be fortunate enough to just pass in her sleep while her comfort is still able to be obtained. Seven (estimated age of 5 years) had a petite mal seizure on Monday so Tuesday had bloodwork and was borderline, then last night she seized again, so she is on Pred while we work out a surgery schedule for her. Think that with the needs of those two it much have ben 2:30 to 3 a.m. before I could hit the sack last night. Happens and they are more than worth it. [Posted in FML issue 3820]