I recieve emails from people who have deaf ferrets that are severe biters much of the time. I dont know if many of the biting in these ferrets can be classified as classical fear biting or not. I have never trained a severe deaf biter (only a regular biter and that was long ago). So I am at a loss as to what to tell these people. Please let me know if this advice is okay. I know its not enough for them, but at least let me know if this advice will hurt or help. I tell them that the ferret is in need of a few things such as learning that "hands are nice", that they are going to treated consistently, that they need to trust again, discipline, and a huge amount of patience. I tell them to of course use bitter apple. Many of the times people find this difficult if they have other ferrets (they don't want to affect their kisses...so I tell them to try and have alone sessions in those cases). I tell them about time outs.... time out areas, and how long to do them and such. I tell them about scruffing, the face, the no, sigh.... the dragging too. I tell them to be consistent and has hard as that can be its a must. If one is using time outs, use them all the time, etc.. I tell them the ferret will probably benefit from a multi leveled approach. I other words, use the scruffing, plus the cage all at the same time, and the bitter apple on your hands. Most of all I tell them to have sessions to show them that they are not going to hurt them and to gain their trust. I tell them hardest of all.....is showing patience. I tell them to try not to overreact when it happens and to be very matter of fact iwht the discipline. I tell them sometimes you can be in this for the long haul... months perhaps much longer. I have been wanting to make a page to teach about biters. About deaf biters. But I can't if I've never experienced one. If someone ever hits me with good experience or advice that I really really like, I'd like to ask them if I can make a page about it for my deaf site giving them full credit. It's really needed you guys. I wanted to also ask, what are the reasons for biting, and .. does this affect how a ferret is trained? For example, a ferret that bites from traditional fear (fear biter), is that different than a ferret that bites out of aggression and lack of social skills. Is that further different than a ferret that bites out of surprise fear (such as a deaf ferret being snuck up on)? I mean many would say, "then don't scare the ferret". But hey lots and lots of deaf ferrets out there are surprised, and scared at a sudden appearance of a hand or something....it doesn't mean they lash out and bite. Any help would be appreciated. I think many people would like to know advice about this, even on this list. Wolfy Please visit: http://www.geocities.com/wolfysluv/ for information on ferret deafness: http://www.geocities.com/wolfysluv/deaf.html [Posted in FML issue 3764]