Good news everyone Vinnie survived the vet said he never saw a fert make such a dramatic 180 in his life, He said he saw what looked like a ruptured disk and a fractured pelvis. One thing I can say if there is an offical dog greeter on the other side of the bridge he or she will greet that dog in about 60 days!!!!!! ------- David Owings Vinnie Da Rat, Shadow [Posted in FML issue 3757]