Thank you Heather! I definitely appreciate the nice feedback and hope that others will view this the same way as you! Thanks for cc'ing me on your post. On the issue of being shipped too young, I did tell Peter that it is of no benefit to them to do this because those that are shipped too young are often (not always) kept in a back room of Petco for a couple of weeks and may or may not be getting adequate care. I also told him that PETCO does not order more until they are out. So where is the advantage to MF in shipping them this young? Nowhere. He even agreed that older kits have a better chance of survival and are less dependent than the really young ones. In fact, he went on to tell me that often the young ones will revert back to "nursing" as a result of stress. I hadn't thought of this and then remembered a few posts about people experiencing this behavior. He seemed to really be concerned about the young shipments so maybe if he takes my reasoning to the board members, they will finally "see the light". I could not post ALL of my two hour conversation with him, because it would have been too long. Once I compile my "book", I am ccppy to share it privately with others. Still, the frustration for me is the fact that all of this would be considered "hearsay" because they will not respond in writing. He told me that I could email him my concerns but that he probably would not respond because he is "too busy". I don't like this at all, but what can I do? I did ask him why, if so many people like MF ferrets, would he be concerned with any backlash? He told me that people have read things into stuff in the past. I don't see how that is any different than what is already going on. It looks to me that they just don't want to "damage" themselves by putting this stuff in written format, because they can always deny verbal conversations. It becomes a he said, she said ordeal. Not satisfactory in my opinion. At least I got him to admit they euthanize retired breeders, but again, he could just deny what I am saying. Sukie has repeatedly suggested I focus on all farms. I plan to, but most of my experiences have been with MF. It would not be fair for me to state otherwise. I wont make stuff up about other farms just to "equalize" the efforts. I don't doubt that other farms are just as bad or worse. I just believe that changes at MF (the largest distributor) will be the best example of what one can accomplish. If anyone would be willing to start compiling information and reports on the other farms (Triple F and Path Valley as well as a few in Canada I know of) that would be great! Heather is right, I cannot do all of this by myself, but I have started the ball rolling and I plan to implement change. Are you ready to take action? Thanks. [Posted in FML issue 3631]