>Congratulations to the beagles who will be spending this holiday season >in a real home instead of as the subject of someone's "research." >Ronnie I believe that as long as medical research can legally include animals, and that as long as MF or other farms that breed to sell to lab or pet stores are meeting regulations, then it is wrong to steal those animals. Whether to "liberate" them, or for other purposes. And I would say that if anyone took in a stolen animal knowing it was taken, that person would be in receipt of stolen property. How can we all work together if we don't agree? I don't get that. I agree that I love animals and you love animals, but I don't agree that someone else's property should be stolen. I also don't agree that all animals should be "free" or wild. I eat meat, wear leather, so I won't be a hypocrite and say otherwise. I use medications that were probably first tested on animals, the joint medication that is so popular now was first used in dogs, epilepsy meds were tested on some dogs that are prone to epilepsy, and I think narcolepsy too?? I do feel bad, but not bad enough to give up my house, and replant the trees and grass so the wildlife can come back, and not be displaced. I would think we can learn and maybe make changes so that in the future we put more emphasis into wildlife conservation, animal rights laws, and recognize that pets are more than just property in the eyes of the law. Making changes will not be easy, but I think can be done so legally and not have to resort to propaganda, slander, twisting the truth, or stunts to alienate the rest of us who might have otherwise been sympathetic to their cause. Patty [Moderator's note: "Third stage in MF discussion:" we begin to comment about animal's rights in general and not about ferrets in particular. It's time to close the MF topic again -- anyone wishing to make a final Marshall Farms-specific comment please do so now. BIG] [Posted in FML issue 3630]