>>...we cannot even help the ones that are put to sleep in tucson alone.. >>did you know that the figure is over 63,000.00? and thats in tucson... > >One of the board members of the Tucson club/shelter has checked and we >can't understand where she could have come up with that figure. My >gosh, that's quite an amount. Just where is this information from? >>She has also stated >>...i dont belong to any club because i feel the abuse in any form is not >>acceptable and there is a club here that has someone who does endorse >>flicking ferrets and well if its abuse in a child why wouldnt it be abuse >>in an animal? > >I do agree that is abuse. But the way she has posted, it's like all the >members of this club disclipine their ferrets in this manner. I know for >a fact there was one, but the best way to change this and prevent others >from adopting this form of dicipline is to join the club and help out by >showing the correct way to dicipline. well im sorry to hear that people have misconstued my post....i thought it was self explanatory... but let me try to explain this one last time: 63,000.00 "ANIMALS" is what i meant!!! not ferrets but "ALL" "ANIMALS" in tucson alone.... and for a correction what i said was "and there is a club here that has a person who endorses" now how could you get that i was talking about "ALL CLUB MEMBERS"? i was talking about one person and i stated one person...in fact i didnt even say "WHO THE CLUB WAS"!!! did i? there are several clubs here in tucson...i actualy know of 4 right off the top of my head...and several people who know nothing of the fml... im not trying to be rude but im sick and tired of "PEOPLE" taking out of context what i said...i try very hard not to do that to other people, becasue i hate that being done to me... the point is this: the site listed unaltered ferrets....i asked why as a shelter were they not fixed? it doesnt say (at the time) what they are planning to do wityh the ferrets...it doesnt say where they came from or what kind of a background they came from...hence they could have been abused ferrets...they could have been constantly caged ferrets with little or no handling...they could have some health problems that they dont know about... therefore i gave some good sound advice on "BITTING AND NIP TRAINING"... somehow the person Joann thought i was saying that they were being abused by the shelter... now i have reread every post including the original one from the shelter and from me and etc... i didnt not say it at all...so why in the heck do certain people not understand this? i have gotten emails from peopel who say certain things about that shelter...and what i told them is this: if what you are telling me is true "TURN THEM IN"...i dont know about any other state but i do know that arizona has a great policy concerning animal abuse...its a felony...short and sweet to the point...and they do proscute...i lobbyed for animals and i still am...the point again is i do not endorse animal abuse as joann said to me in an email...nor do i endorse child abuse.. nor have i accused any shelter or any person of any abuse... what i am guilty of is asking why the ferrets (and so many of them) are unaltered...it doesnt say one word on the site about donations, vets or what the policy is concerning adopting these unaltered ferrets... on the site it says that some of the ferrets have "pinning" issues...so i gave some advice on that issue...it was well reserached and it has worked for us and others...so i thought that id pass that information on...just in case they had never thought of a training method like it... but instead i got a hateful reply back and totaly out of context... you know i tried to give some help and instead i got slapped in the face with accusations of things that i did not say... people cannot be trusted to fix ther animals...its a proven fact...maybe thats why there are so many animals put to death each year in the untited states...ever think of that? persoanly i think that your emails and comments joann are completely unfounded...for all those of you out there that are truely interested in the whole thing please see issue (fml i believe on the 6 or 7 of nov)...maybe i was not clear on the 63,000 animals (all)...but when you read the whole post over again, i believe it was stating animals...not ferrets...that would be totaly unresonable...so i do appoligize for that misunderstanding...if anyone thought that way..but as far as anything else i do not appoligize...i never said anything accusitory about anyone or any club... persoanly i am glad that peoiple care enough to start their own rescue and spend their own money...and believe me that is so hard...because thats what i did...and boy was that ever a lot of money...i do take my hat off to those who can do that... and lets not forget that all shelters are not perfect... in closing i do appoligize to those people who are reading this but i ws just sick and tired of certain individuals taking out of context what i said... put yourself in the same situation and im sure you would not be very happy either...especially when all you wanted to know was why werent they fixed and gave advice on bite/nip trianing... so again i hope this sets the record straight as to what i "DID" say and what "I DIDNT SAY"!!! thankyou for your time... sincerly, trudie ps this has been blind copied to the people that a ceratain person has chosen to bring into this situation which should not have started in the first place...if you want copiues of emails from her please let me knoe and i will forward... [Posted in FML issue 3598]