Here is how we solved the litter and litterbox problem. Parris WAS good about using hers as she had been a cage ferret before coming here and getting their own room. The Kidd was hit and mostly miss. I got a bigger pan as he outgrew the small one. Soon they were both pushing the litter pan aside to use the corner. Was using a pelleted litter that rolled under their feet and they didn't seem to like that. So put paper towels in the pan and that seemed better. So now I put a folded paper towel in the one favorite *no pan please corner*. The same in the pans in other corners, the same in their cage pan at night. Easy to keep up with, just toss and replace as needed. I get lots of bending over exercise.<G> Mind you I have linoleum in their room and only 3 kids. Buy paper towels in bulk at Costco. Cheaper for me than subscribing to the newspaper that would never get read. I keep a spray bottle of 1/2 white vinegar 1/2 water in the room. Use as needed, a mild natural antiseptic and deodorizer. This works for me, kinda can't beat 'em, join 'em. Am I the only one that thinks a fert going potty is a cute thing?!! They even smile. In Touch, Ardith Parris, The Kidd, and the Other Kidd mailto:[log in to unmask] [Posted in FML issue 3597]