I have been reading the posts for the last few days in regards to Matan. From what I have seen, there has been a lot of fussing, but a lot of people seem to be reacting like he is an adult and from the US culture. What my point is #1 He is from Israel. This culture is totally different from the "Western" culture. Over in the Middle East "most" women are still treated as property and they have no greater value than to be breeding/sex machines like animals. In fact, I read somewhere where the men put more importance on their animals than they do their women. This attitude seems to be coming out in his posts. #2 Definitely a language barrier: here again, the confusion. Whomever wrote the note explaining about the difference between "Heat" as in breeding and the "Heat" as in temperature was more on the mark. Matan is obviously confused by the Americanism of using one word with two different meanings. #3 He is apparently still young, High School age? This would show why such importance on his parents. Over there, (again, just observations from US immigrants) the children are a lot more respectful of their parents and do not seem to "individualize" from them as our US children do. Now, that said, How about everyone take a step back, deep breath and pass on the facts. I am not a breeder so someone that has more experience might have to step in. But from what I have picked up: Fact: Jills that are not bred will stay in continuous "Heat" until they are bred, have a vacectomized male or a shot to bring them out of heat. The "Heat" we are talking about has nothing to do with the outside temperature. Fact: Jills will die of aplastic anemia (how about someone explaining, calmly to him what this means could be words that are hard to translate) Fact: Matan needs to get a vacectomized male to service her. That way, when she is ready to have another litter, she can. AND, this will also take care of the issue he seems to have that she has to have sex for pleasure (here again, how about those more knowledgable give him the explaination of what we mean by vacetomized and the facts on how this works) We know that this is drive to reproduce and not for pleasure, but come on folks, take into consideration his culture. Since this is about the only information that I have in regards to breeding, how about one of our more knowledgeable Breeders/retired Breeders send a post to him privately or on the list with the facts and suggestions on breeding. BIG, sorry this is so long but this is getting way out of hand Cindy Goliath & Baby and in our hearts Bubba Weedeater [Moderator's note: It is getting out of hand. But there is a much information to be exchanged. I get the hints though -- it will soon be time to wind this up. BIG] [Posted in FML issue 3453]