I've got to put my 2 cents worth in. (May have to eat crow later, but...) Look into the "pure" breeds in dogs and you will find more inbreeding and genetic nightmares than even MF could come up with! German Shepards and similar breeds have genetic hip problems that require either replacement surgery or euthanasia. I think we have enough problems (adrenal, insulanoma, lymphoma, etc. etc. etc.) without getting near something like that! Rant mode is now off (flames just keep me warm). Tammy & the Crew War Dance Haven Trying to explain ferret math to a non-ferret owner is like trying to explain physics to a 3 year old. [Posted in FML issue 3326]