Shelters and breeders being the same people. Some people do not understand how a person could do both. Some do not understand how a breeder could not shelter. It won't be resolved here as it is completely a matter of personal choice. To many of us it is not at all a conflict of interest. Those who are not breeders can not truly see into the minds of those who do so they should not set themselves up to judge the morals of those who do regarding this issue. This is an issue every bit as touchy as Marshall Farms or colloidal silver. But some time check the list of noted ferret breeders that also have done sheltering and you will see many many on the list. Also check the list of people noted for their shelter work and very often you will note that they happen to be associated with breeding some where as well. >From: matan rosenstrauch <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: HHHHHEEEELLLLPPPP >Question please: how many days since the ferrets had sex the jill gets >out of her heat???? its urgent. If it's not within a week there is a problem. If we are using a vasectomized hob we retry after a week. If after that week it didn't work we go to a hormone injection. But usually it's no more than three or four days to noticible reduction in swelling. -- bill and diane killian zen and the art of ferrets http://www.zenferret.com/ mailto:[log in to unmask] [Posted in FML issue 3341]