TO Debbie Utter on cages: We have 3 Martins cages and a barn carrier. I wouldn't use anything else. The oldest cage is 3 and there's not a spot of rust or wear. We replaced one of the pieces of carpet because it didn't survive the 1st round of litter training. ;-) The best thing is that Skip Martin can custom make a cage to your specs! I have a friend who had a special cage made that is very long but not too high. It has 4 thin levels and the ferrets love it. The had doors put on each level to make cleaning easy. Good luck! ______________________________________________________________ Kristeen, JT, Katie, Matt, Al & Stanley [Posted in FML issue 3287]