Had some requests for the upshot after discussing what I learned from FML members with vet hospital pros. This is likely one to save in everyone's files. I'm supposed to clean a litter pot well with with hot soapy water and scrub brush, then dry it and line it with plastic wrap, then put in either aquarium pebbles or No-sorb litter, then fill her up with fluid and sling her since she can use a litter box when in a sling. That possibly might hold the feces off the urine and permit a clean enough sample. If it doesn't work they will likely have to get it by needle, but those who replied (so many!) said this wasn't stressful when the vet is used to things as small as ferrets and then he could see her nodes again, too, since those have changed again. It's just been a matter of everyone trying to reduce her stress level when possible given that quality of life is what she has left, but knowing this answer is also a quality of life thing, since it would affect medical approach. You see, she has so little bowel control that almost any time she urinates that also lets loose and contaminates the samples. We've actually gotten samples but they don't stay clean enough for that reason. Her nodes are up too large now for her to use her wheelchair, though the sling works beautifully. They just went blammo. Could be lympho, could be infection. Need to know, plus on Saturday she had trouble dropping urine (though no trouble since) which could be the spinal growth or could be an infection that is up and down with all that incontinence. She has a bit of bladder control but it's limited and almost no fecal control. Yes, our carpet is especially aromatic. [Posted in FML issue 3202]