Dick Bossart got in touch; he had a panda that lived to a normal life span. I knew there had to be some out there. Sadly this individual remains to only one mentioned to be so far reaching a full lifespan. Think it is very important that when the Genetic List gets enough info that lifespans are looked at as planned; think also that clubs should be doing this. Have heard that 8 in 1 is taking about 2 weeks to get back to people and since some other s wrote about the same problem figured I'd pass on some info several folks gave me (Joe, Sharon, Tony, and Ilena): 1-800-645-5154, 1-800-232-1200, [log in to unmask], http://www.eightinonepet.com. Errrrrrrrrr, I've had several letters from people assuming that I had certain breeders in mind. The ones who mentioned names (not needed or desired, please) were mentioning ones others that those folks had mentioned to me in the past. We go with rescues and such, so don't need this info. Just important for anyone who does go with breeders to check several out carefully beforehand. Some are very good , some are very bad, and most are probably somewhere between in aspects of health, longevity, and personality. [Posted in FML issue 3206]