A new client walked into my office on Saturday. A Russian Jew. We spoke for several hours. As a youth, he spent 2 years in Aushwitz, and 5 years in a refugee camp. He said that even when Germany had lost the war: even when the towns and cities of Germany lay in rubble: even while the German people starved--the death machine rolled on. With no hope and no money and the war over, the Germans flew in two little girls from Norway to the camp. Flew them in to kill them. Two little girls. That is what Marshall Farms-the puppy mill-reminds me of after reading the latest articles you pointed out to me. They don't seem to change from the years they are cited. Don't care about the suffering, or conditions. Keep mistreating the animals despite the Federal Inspectors first visit. And them about half of them go on to be tested for toxic substances or other experiments causing suffering and loneliness of an intelligent and sensitive animal. If these animals-our ferrets-could speak up and vote--you know that the Marshalls would most likely be in jail for life. Is it all right with you personally to inhumanely treat ferrets like this because they sell some ferret stuff??? Or because some of the researchers that use ferrets for experiments found some scientific data on the ferret?? MaYBE IT IS. Doesn't that remind you of the experiments in the camps on Jews and gypsies and Polish Christians ?? Would it have been all right with you if a few scientific discoveries had come out of that ?? Read of the conditions these animals are forced to live in. It is horrendous. None of these reports have anything to do with PETA. Go to www.askjeeves.com. Type in USDA and Marshall Farms. Roll down to Mamma.com and click on ferret abuse. Be prepared for truth. USDA-----Marhall Farms---Ferret Abuse The four main reports covered just in this site are "Marshall Farms Hit by Federal Inspectors" MF kit Freezes to death in Transit Ferret lover Saves over 120 kits stranded==these are Marshall Farms ferrets And a report of USDA Inadequate Regulations of Ferret Transport Federal Inspectors found NUmerous broken or rusted sharp wires protruding into pens There is INadequate floor space to move Ferrets cannot walk on the mesh of 1 by 1 inch, so seem to swim across the rusted floors with sharp wire polking up during their life GROSSLY unsanitary veterinary procedures... In time--we will be able to change the laws and put these puppy mills out of business. In the meantime-all of us can make a difference. The Marshall Farms sells products that we don't have to buy. Their poor ferrets with the two tattoos in on ear do not have to be purchased. The children and I discussed these things this weekend. We are going to make up flyers with the information on this puppy mill and pass out the pamphlets, and let other kids know. I am not going to buy another Marhall product. Each of you will decide for yourself if you are going to promote atrocities like those cited by the Federal Inspectors against Marshall Farms, or boycott their products as we did when we stopped buying Tuna. My thoughts for the day on this subject. Lisette [Moderator's note: OK, I can tell we are about to enter another Marshall Farms debate. And people will point out bad and good, both substantiated and not. And in the end it will get ugly and I'll put a stop to it and few feelings on the subject will have been significantly changed. Of course, it CAN stay civil if we all try just a bit... we'll see. (One thing that would help is to attempt to give the source of any information posted so readers can look up the full story on their own if they care to do so. BIG] [Posted in FML issue 3172]