Hi Everyone, Well, I have gotten quite a few suggestions on making that chicken mess. lol. I will admit to not taking a lot of time right now to try and get each ferret to eat it. They will usually dive into duck soup, with a few noted exceptions. But time up on my back is still somewhat limited and so what I do with the ferts is also limited right now. I did get some really good suggestions for my back and inquiries on my state, which I am grateful for. I also got some suggestions and "keep at its" from folks on feeding this smelly brew. Sorry folks, I have tried off and on for over about 20 years to follow a vegetarian diet. I always did fine for 2-3 months and then had massive cravings for beef. I look back now and wonder if my diverticulosis has anything to do with it, since I don't digest plant stuff nearly as well anymore. And once, after doing a really strict leaning towards vegan type diet for quite some time, the smell of meat cooking particularly chicken, sets my tummy off. Even if I crave chicken, once I get it at times, will make my tummy flip flop and I can't eat. Someone did suggest that I used ground turkey for less mess and such. I think this is a great idea. I think I shall start off with this, and add all the other stuff along with some ensure. I make my duck soup with ensure and I am hoping that this will allow me to liquidfy the mix more that what I have right now, and also to slowly work over to more meat, thicker stuff and up to the bones and such. I do have an old hand grinder that was my Grandma's but my hands are not strong enough to use it. I do know someone in town who has very very strong hands and may enlist their help. If I can work the guys up to this smelly brew, I plan on investing in a grinder for my kitchen aide mixer. They make an attachment for the front of the thing and I *know* that it has lots of power, as I can make double whole wheat bread recipes in it. I will keep posting my trials, suggestions and whatever to you. For what it is worth. Mags and the Missouri Mobsters [Posted in FML issue 3152]