I know its not EXACTLY Ferret related but then isp (and the consequent mail address changes) can make it difficult to keep track of people / shelters and that may be bad for the Ferrets... I have used iname.com for personal mail for over 2 years now, it forwards to whatever isp I am using at the moment,(changed about a dozen times in 2 years) and to point it at another account takes less than a minute. its free and I have found it totally reliable.. I never lost a mail yet. iname.com is now full but they are issuing mail.com addresses now, in fact my reply address is via them, and I got the whole family fixed up too. Why not try it ? As for the Performance foods issue, I have worked in distribution in the UK and it is not a straightforward issue, odd pallets get mislaid as a result of data input mistakes/ location misidentifications, there are many aspects that can lead to old / recalled / obsolete stock surfacing some are poor housekeeping / stock control, others are down to inattention on the part of warehous operatives, and at the order picking stage it is NOT a requirement to check expiry dates, ONE THING they all share. they are totally and utterly BEYOND the control of the producer This stuff can be "in the chain" for weeks or even months, enevitably human error comes into play sometimes little blame seems to have been pointed at the distribution network. From here it looks like people are content to Blame P.F. for something that is way outside thier control. Most order pickers have targets to work to, these targets come about because of pressures from consumers to keep prices low. Cant have your cake and eat it, in the case of expired code stuff that is finally down to the store to check BEFORE they place it on the shelves, good stock rotation should prevent most problems. That is the last line of defence before you the pet owner. Like many, I check dates, choosing the longer expiry where there is a choice, and if in doubt, I cop out and use an alternatve. NOT A FLAME OR TARGETED AT ANYONE Just my 2p worth (dunno what 2 pence works out to in us$ lol) Hug the fuzzys, this is all about them ! Cris Page ( completely posessed by Bubbles) www.furkidz.org.uk ICQ# 7988247 Reply to [log in to unmask] [Posted in FML issue 3129]