Hi Sukie I've got to dig back through my records, but we have had a couple that come right to mind that exhibited many signs of Waardenburg -- Morticia, a late alter (retired breeder -altered at 2 1/2) was definitely a Waardenburg kid -- she was a black sable mitt with ruby red eyes. She died at age 5 of lymphosarcoma. Nico, a MF ferret was a wannabe chocolate panda/mitt with ruby eyes - he was blind. He died of Lymphosarcoma at age 4. Yod He Vawhe, a MF ferret who started life as a black roan mitt, and roaned to a medium silver...he had the wide spaced eyes and started to show a blaze. He died of an unknown illness (probably IBD) at age 5. He had suffered from a mild bout of ECE in 1994, but was otherwise healthy until he developed adrenals at age 4 (bilateral). I hope that this helps -- I have had others that I believe are carrying the WS gene - but they are still alive. Lisa Leidig, Head Ferret The Ferret Haven "By-the-Sea" http: www.ferrethaven.org Want to help The Ferret Haven By-the-Sea? Register at iGive.com by cutting and pasting this link: http://www.iGive.com/html/ssi.cfm?CID=1236&MID=854 [Posted in FML issue 3119]