Oh, while mentioning neat things that another person has noted in relation to rehabing ferrets which have been abused: I think if was Julianna who once had a regularly kicked ferret there and she put the cage first at face height to reduce stress, and slowly lowered it as the ferret became more calm. If I am not recalling right who did it then someone else was really great on that score. Back when Harley was still around he'd also been a kicked boy and we used to let him bite the heck out of shoes to get back at them. It worked marvelously -- not for the shoes, of course, but... Sukie, Steve (and the Sweet 7 who include at least 3, possibly 4, who were abused before joining our family) BTW: once they know that they have nothing to fear the past abuse victims typically become the absolutely sweetest ferrets imaginable, and certainly the most grateful [Posted in FML issue 3066]