Just a thought. . .Maybe all of us who were not at the show or do not directly face to face know those involved should STAY OUT OF THE DEBATE. At this point it is still the word of individuals against the word of other individuals. This is the reason jurors for trials are selected one by one and hear all evidence in person. Otherwise judgements are kneejerk reactions based on hearsay alone, punishments are vigilanteeism. The issue isn't even abuse anymore, but how who handled what and the credibility of both the accuser and the accused. We're all opposed to ferret abuse, but then we're all opposed to being defamed in a public forum with no opportunity to face our accusers in person, too. How much bickering are we going to indulge in before we realize there is NO WAY to settle this on a mailing list? I truely regret offending anyone, but I can't stand much more of this. My e-mial is posted above if anyone wishes to get even more childish and flame me, but I stand my ground. [Moderator's note: And your opinion, is of course, welcome. While I agree we're probably never going to settle this in email I *am* impressed with suggestions people are making toward future solutions. BIG] [Posted in FML issue 3008]