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FERRET-SEARCH June 1992

Subject:

Answers, news from us, some wildlife info

From:

Steve & Sukie Crandall <[log in to unmask]>

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The Ferret Mailing List (FML)

Date:

Thu, 4 Jun 1992 19:38:04 -0400

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Hi, folks.  It's been many months since we've  had  a  chance  to
post.   I'll  attempt  to  tackle  some  general  info,  specific
questions, news from our 4, and a bit of wildlife stuff.
 
A few weeks ago actually saw a female fisher or a  marten  around
here, a very rare happening.  Wound up having to report it to the
state.  First person  said,  "That's  impossible."  but  when  he
realized  my  background put me on to one of the field people who
would know better.  He did.  When he'd asked me  all  the  needed
questions to be sure that I knew what I'd seen and why I couldn't
tell which of the two it was (Head  and  underbelly  hidden  from
view,  coloration in the overlap dark brown.) he told me that not
long ago he got a fisher in one of his black bear tagging  traps.
The  fisher was caught so close to the border of N.J. that it was
almost in PA, but it had been tagged for  study  in  upstate  New
York.  How's that for a stroll?
 
Black footed ferrets doing well.  A lot of the old ones (about  8
years)  have  lympho.   Breeding  options  have  been improved by
lighting controls and looks like a good year for  kits.   If  all
goes  well  with  various  forms and negotiations Canada will get
some of the off-spring within a few years, maybe even next  year.
The  narrow  gene  pool is turning out to be their worst problem.
Report have come in of other colonies.   They  have  varied  from
coyotes  to  prairie dogs to weasels, to reports that tightly fit
BFFs which so far have come from miners who refuse to say more or
they'll lose work.  It's a shame, not only because of the serious
inbreeding among captive animals, but  because  colonies  can  be
wiped  out  in  a  few  scant weeks by canine distemper and other
illnesses or by illnesses which crash  the  "dogs"  for  instance
plague.
 
Re: hot cars.  That was a real problem when we dealt with  lympho
and  insulinoma  in the past.  We used blue ice or water ice in a
SOLID container ane well wrapped in a towel and kept the  critter
with it in a carry cage when possible.  During the hotest weather
the ice went on  my  thighs  (Can  you  say  "uncomfort-  able"?)
covered  by  a towel with a nearby bottle of water with ice in it
to rub on head and tummy for major  cooling.   Ask  vet's  advice
when an animal has a respitory disease since too much cooling can
sometimes also be bad then.
 
Re: Ferret life spans.  Typical is 7 -10 years , but  specialists
like  Liz Hillyer (The person who figured out that ferrets should
have Brewers Yeast daily to get enough  chromium  to  reduce  the
chance  of  insulinoma)  are  complaining that all the inbreeding
from suppliers is horridly reducing life spans.  The  chances  of
encountering  this  are  greater  with  specialized  coat or body
types.  As was reported by  a  member  from  Colorado  running  a
ferret  rescue  they  were seeing lives of only 4 to 5 years from
that breeder. The bad press has had an effect, and the breeder is
now  bringing  in  some  Swedish stock to refresh the bloodlines.
The oldest ferrets we know of were 14.   (Would  the  person  who
reported a Canadian small breeder mentioning such ages please see
if the person is GETTING those ages and let us know who it is and
how  to  contact  if so?)  The most recent 14 year old we know of
was a convenience male who was neutered as a kit.  There was once
debate  on  whether being convenience (neutered as a kit) reduced
life spans.  From numbers
 
collected personally, seen here, and from asking specialists  who
have  worked  with  hundreds the consensus seems to be that being
convenience may have  no  effect,  but  inbreeding  is  promoting
cancers,  deformities,  and  heart  disease.   One  of our's is a
"charity case"who is absolutely adorable with us now but must  be
kept  from  strangers.   There  is  no  reason to asuume that the
following  are  associated  genetically  since  they   could   be
separate.   The  breeder  was trying for fancy color ferrets with
short faces and got a  short  face,  alright  plus  the  rest  of
Achondoplasic  Dwarfism.  Poor Ruffie has a long body, flat face,
and short legs, etc.  The only part of the syndrome that she does
not  have  yet  is  slipped  discs.   Her lower legs and arms are
deformed from uneven growth and have very  restricted  motion  --
she  can  not  even wash her face.  Her ears have limited motion.
She is often in pain and has to be massaged each day.  Her second
problem   is  intellectual  retardation.   This  causes  abberant
behaviors and makes her likely (virtually always) to  panic  with
strangers,  with us if we don't smell like ourselves such as when
we are ill, etc.  Then she canine bites. The bruises are  usually
worse  than  the  punctures  by the way.  She has several medical
problems with her nose as well.   Yet,  you  will  never  find  a
ferret who loves her people more (Oh, let me kiss you.  Yes. Yes.
I love you. and other sweet behavior) or is more attractive.  She
has  --  bar  none-- the thickest, softest (almost no guard hairs
and pelage like a kit), longest fur (2" to 3"depending on  season
furI've  seen and her face looks like a malamute puppy except for
the slanted eyes.
 
The person who asked about a ferret with a white streak  on  head
and  a  few  white  toes  could be seeing another genetic variant
found in many mammals including some mustelids.  It's  only  real
problem  if  I recall correctly (Can't find my source right now.)
is deafness or partial deafness.  We have one who seems  to  have
it who can not hear low sounds.
 
Re: training.  Praise and other  positive  training  work  better
than  any  other  training  techniques.   When  you  need adverse
training  for  nipping  or  biting  ferrets  HATE  the  smell  of
toothpaste  even  more than that of bitter apple, bitter lime, of
sour grapes.  They are able  to  ingest  small  amounts  if  that
happens  without any worse problems than trying to gag it up, but
perhaps some brands may be dangerous and have not been  tried  so
you are best just having it smelled in case you try a brand which
has something unsafe about it.  Praise for going in the  pot  can
even  get  them  to  the  point  of climbing in just to show off.
(Accidents can still happen.)
 
Don't be surprised that words work.   Ferrets  can  put  together
words and subject- verb-object sentences.  Fritter once overheard
me say to Hjalmar, "Hjalmar, you stashed  your  fruitcake."   She
got  up and began to search HJALMAR"S stash places till she found
his cake on the third try.
 
Hjalmar is having some problems.  He looks like he has  Cushing's
Syndrome  --  urethral  infections, loose and wrinkled thin skin,
pot belly,  baldness,  etc.,  but  ultra  sound  shows  that  the
adrenals  are both slightly enlarged so that is not definite.  He
unfortunately has the enlarged liver and  heart  also  seen  with
Cushings.   (Also a large spleen but he's had that for 4 years so
it means nothing.) Given that he's 7 and both adrenal glands  may
be working together on this, and he also has a probable mast cell
tumor right over the knuckle of a toe  which  could  be  creating
problems  with  histamine  releases,  and he has reduced nutrient
uptake from previous colitis so must get  his  zinc  supplemnents
and  have  his  pads  treated  with  oil,  and  has possible mild
insulinoma (most of his life was before the  chromium  precaution
was  known -- we will go with medicines.  Unless a tumor shows up
later and he can tolerate surgery it's NOT an option.
 
Meltdown is carefully learning to be alpha  ferret  since  Frit's
death.   It  does  not come naturally to her so she really has to
work at it.
 
"Choppy (from 'Chopper from  Helicopter  for  her  circular  tail
wagging and ability to climb anything to get anywhere) has had to
cope with us finally designing a gate she can't cross so she  has
been moving and stacking (very unevenly and perilously)
 
small boxes so that she can climb on the desk, steal  disc,  turn
on  the  computer, move the mouse ball with her hands, hide under
the printer hood if we come in, etc.  Otherwise her favorite game
is  still  to  play  dalek  by lifting the edge of a light weight
plastic basin with her nose, crawling  under,  and  then  dashing
blindly around the room under it.
 
Smell behind your little guy's ears and you'll find  very  active
scent  glands which they use when head rubbing (You're mine.) and
face washing.  The sneezing done when  face  washing  pushes  out
extra  musk.   Their  scent  is  VERY  important  for their self-
reliance and identity.  One of our's had NO  scent  and  suffered
greatly  for  it till we regularly put Deneuve perfume behind her
ears and on her butt.
 
Sukie Crandall
 
plus Hjalmar, Meltdown, Ruffle, and Chopper
 
[Posted in FML issue 0259]

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