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"Cox, Sherry" <[log in to unmask]>
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Greetings to all the fuzzies, and the people who love them.
 
I'm gonna take a stab at answering Ed's question that he has posted several
times.  Although several people have answered it, Ed still seems to be
confused.  I'm just a lay-person, so I'm trying my best to paraphrase the
way I understand it.
 
Ok, the first thing to consider is this.  The definition of 'domesticated'
does not, in any way, designate that an animal is in it's final evolved
state.  You keep saying that the only domesticated animal is a dead one,
since it is no longer capable of change.  But ability to evolve has nothing
to do with being domestic.  I believe it was Bob Church who offered in his
definition of domestication that an animal has to have been raised with
humans and bred by humans enough that at least one change made in the
animal's inherited traits is something that makes the animal more adapted
to living with humans, such as a solitary animal having a more social
nature at birth.
 
The second point you have confused is believing that 'domesticated' and
'trained' mean opposite things.  It is possible for an animal to have
'trained' behaviors, whether it is domesticated or not.  A trait of
domestication is one that a specific animals is born with, or needs a
small amount of encouragement to bring out, such as being social with
humans, being 'tame' enough to not bite humans with a bit of encouragement
as a kit.  We have bred ferrets long enough for these qualities to be
inherited traits, a sign of domestication.  But, we can train our ferrets
to do things that they weren't born with a predisposition for, such as my
3 clowns who will roll over for a raisin when they receive the right
stimulus, or run to the sound of the treat can shaking.  So, my ferrets are
domesticated with several trained behaviors as well.
 
The training of a wild animal can happen as well, and you can even train a
wild animal to not be afraid of humans, and to interact with them in
socially acceptable ways, but if that trained animal were to have babies,
those babies would not be born with a natural predisposition for little
fear of humans or interacting in socially acceptable ways.
 
Another way that someone else explained it, that I really liked, but
apparently didn't satisfy Ed's stubborn streak, is that training takes
place on the level of a specific animal, but domestication is at the
species level.
 
Sherry and her Merry Mob of domesticated Demon Children
[Posted in FML issue 2718]

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