>From:    Sukie Crandall <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: imposter; health things; IBD
>
>>Not surprising you found a way to blame me.  No the post was NOT skimmed.
>
>Not a blame type of thing.
 
Nope.  You specifically claimed I skimmed a message.  That was indeed
blame assigned by you to me.
 
I took a post and used it as a jumping off point.  I deleted most of the
message as I was not specifically replying to her situation but rather
the general use of the term IBD.
 
It seems the if the deleted post about EG was accurate then that would
indeed qualify as an IBD.  ECE would not.
 
No, technically there is no law requiring that IBD be used exactly the
same between species.  But it is not particularly bright to use an
existing term for a completely different type of disease in different
species.  Yes it has been done in the past - notably the canine and
feline distemper mistmatch - but that causes no end of problems.  We
still have vets giving feline distemper shots to ferrets and people all
confused because these diseases were named back before we had better
knowledge about the pathogens involved.
 
>She used multiple qualifiers like "connected" and more which emphasized
>the hypothetical aspects and pointed out that the vet was the origin of
>the statements, so I found it very clear what she was saying.
 
I did not have any trouble completely understanding what she was saying.
I may not have clearly expressed that I was refering to many people and
not the original poster despite my having actually said something like
"many people" instead neither "you" or "you and others".
 
>You don't usually miss those sorts of things so I figured that you were
>busy and had to skim, as happens with everyone at times so everyone
>understands that situation.
 
Bad assumption.  Perhaps you should have read what I wrote and taken the
wording for what it was and not assumed I meant something that I did not
say.
 
I apologize not not specifically adding the disclaimer "And I do not mean
you specifically" as I was under the bad impression I was clearer than I
apparently was.
 
>No reason to read more into anything, no reason for assuming that you
>were jumping on her, no reason for assuming that I was jumping on you,
>no reason for worry.
 
You are correct.  There was no reason to read into what I wrote that I
skimmed the message.  You are right that there was no reason to assume
I was "jumping on her" when I said nothing that identified the
correspondant as the one to whom I was referring.  If one was to make
an assumption on whom was meant it would be the vet that apparently
diagnosed the disease btu I did not refer to that vet specifically
either.
 
Again I apologize to those that assumed I meant them when I used a vague
term about unknown others because I specifically did not intend to refer
to anyone in particular.
 
>From:    Minta Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: A last reply to Zen on IBD
>
>My two ferrets were also diagnosed by a lab.  as this post had stated.
 
That is fine.  But where did I ever refer to you as being the person I
was describing as over using the term?
 
Labs can say anything they like however.  They can mis-use terms as
easily as anyone else.  A disease that causes an inflamed intestine might
not be an IBD however.  I am not going to and have not in the past
specifically said a darned thing about any particular diagnosis in any
particular ferret.  I was speaking in general terms but as is my style
took a particular post as a springboard to jump into the general
discussion about whether all who use the term IBD are using it correctly.
I did not state that I thought anyone in particular had or had not.
 
BTW, the general method used to diagnosis Crohns as being in a flare up
is just aparticularly high white blood cell count in a person that all
other possiblities had been ruled out.  There is not a specific test for
the human IBDs that I know of.
 
>From:    zus888 <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Zinc's IBD
>
>Just thought you all would be interested to learn that, despite her
>seemingly good health, Zinc still has IBD.  It makes me wonder about
>Pixie (who was also diagnosed with IBD via biopsy)...
 
None of the human IBDs are curable.  They can be treated and eventually
can go into remission.  This actually makes the diagnosis perhaps more
apt.
 
Bill
 
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bill and diane killian
zen and the art of ferrets
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[Posted in FML issue 3890]