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Steve & Sukie Crandall <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 10 Dec 1992 18:01:15 -0500
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Hi folks, sorry it's been so long since we posted.
 
Nancy, there is no way to say if the representations of different
cancers (a grouping of several hundred separate illnesses some of
which vary extremely widely in survivability, treatability, speed
of  progression,  etc.)  is  larger  than can be accounted for by
genetics.  Within human populations there  are  some  people  who
apparently carry genes which make them a bit more susceptible and
a few who actually carry genetic make-up which almost  guarantees
that  members  of  their families will have some forms of cancer.
To understand what is going on one would have  to  have  reliable
documentation    of   ferrets   cancers   (still   lacking),   an
understanding or even a reasonable inkling of how  many  specific
genes   are   involved  and  how  they  express  themselves,  and
reasonable ball park  figures  of  how  common  these  individual
variants  are  in the population.  Obviously, with a small enough
gene pool and the right individuals you could breed humans to  be
virtually  guaranteed  some form of cancer.  Breeders who want to
could try to track enough of their animals to get an  inkling  of
the  health  of  their gene pool (yes, inbreeding can also create
healthier animals but that result is not as common)  and  present
their stats to potential buyers.  There is no way at this time or
for  a  very  long  time  after  to  make  estimates  on  genetic
representation.   Be  wary  of  those  who try to make definitive
remarks since there's no way to do  that.   (By  the  way,  Black
Footed  Ferrets have a startlingly high instance of lymphosarcoma
after a certain age, but the remaining population is of necessity
very  inbred  so  whether  this  reflects what COULD exist is not
known.)
 
Most ferret specialist vets I know think that the shortened  life
spans  in U.S.  ferrets over the last decade relate to inbreeding
among both large and  small  breeders  and  that  some  types  of
cancers  may  reflect  that, while others relate to the virtually
total  lack  of  veterinary  nutrition  information  on  ferrets.
(Florida  is starting a vet nutrition program, I gather, but such
are  even  rarer  than  human  physicians  knowing  about   human
nutrition.  Even for humans there is an extreme lack of knowledge
and lack of classes.)  An example of a possible nutrition problem
is  the  warning that brewers yeast should be given to ferrets in
case the foods here are too low in chromium.  It may be or it may
not; we give our's yeast figuring that it probably can't hurt and
may help.  Wild ferret and mink diets are little help since  they
do  not  really  reflect what pet owners want to know since those
are more likely to be optimized for survival through the first  3
or  4 critical breeding years only.  Also remember this IMPORTANT
warning:  going "natural" does  not  mean  that  foods  are  more
balanced,  safer, better preserved, or contain fewer carcinogens.
There are naturally occurring fungi which can  invade  foods  and
which are dramatically potent carcinogens; others which can cause
lung or liver illnesses, and still others which have sent  entire
human  populations  insane  (as  in  the example of an old walled
French city which was turned into  an  asylum  after  the  town's
bakers  got  bad  grain  and  sold  it  in  their breads).  Ditto
bacteria and other life forms which can feed on our foods or  our
pets'  foods  and  may  be  themselves  dangerous  or produce by-
products which are dangerous.
 
Then there is the category  of  environmentally  caused  cancers.
Among  humans,  with the marked exceptions of exposure to tobacco
smoke, or radiation, these are a much smaller  amount  than  diet
relate cancers, but then we react badly to at least some fats and
ferrets react VERY differently to fats and  actually  can  become
very  ill  from  monosaturated  fats  that appear to be safer for
human heart health than others.  This component is  unknown  with
ferrets.
 
Can ferrets survive cancers?  Bandit is an excellent  example  of
one  with  lympho  who  is doing splendidly.  Fritter showed that
even with both  lympho  and  insulinoma  a  ferret  can  have  an
extended period of survival.  Hjalmar is going strong even though
he first had symptoms from his adenocarcinoma over  a  year  ago.
In our first decade of ferret ownership we thought they were very
fragile.  Now we are more inclined to think that once owners  and
vets know what they are doing ferrets may actually be more robust
with some illnesses than cats are.  Cost of treatment varies with
the  type  of cancer and individual case.  Hjalmar's chemo is not
too bad, and neither was Frit's, but Hjalmar's  surgery  and  two
sets of sonograms added up to about $1,300.
 
Here's what has and is happening with Hjalmar (now over  7  years
old):   after  his Cushings had been going on for about 11 months
he started having too many Addisons crises despite  his  Lysodren
in  Nutrical.   Surgery  was for a very large tumor and had a bad
prognosis, being so involved with the vena cava but  it  was  the
only chance.  Afterwards he became the first ferret known to have
tumor suppression of the other adrenal so had to go  on  Florinef
till  it  restarted.  Now he is going through Ann Jeglum's lympho
protocol with Pred added basically since no one has done chemo on
this  type  of tumor before so that's our best guess.  He's happy
and doing very well, but for how long no one  can  say.   Current
estimate day to day is that he could live 2 days or 2 years more.
(Those with Cushingoid ferrets who want to  know  more  or  those
with  ferrets  with adenocarcinomas who want to stay in touch are
welcome to call us E.S.T. 10 to 10.   908.580.0506)
 
old elephants foot palm we have.
 
We  have  personal  experience  with  inbreeding  by  one  Pennsy
breeder.   They  try  for  special colors, kit coats held through
life, and short faces.  Ruffle  is  one  of  theirs  and  suffers
(literally since her legs and back have difficulties) form a form
of dwarfism as well  as  the  separate  problem  of  being  quite
intellectually  impaired  (but  trainable  with  consistency  and
time).  'Chopper is also one of theirs and is partially deaf from
a  genetic cause which is well documented in much of mammalia and
also responsible for her white forelock.   Both  have  luxurious,
long, satiny kit-like coats.
 
Meltdown was also one of their's from before they started  having
such  obvious  inbreeding  difficulties.   It's hard to imagine a
more responsible critter than she grew to become.
 
Our latest addition is a Marshall farms boy who is pure white and
hence  named  Spot.  He is ENORMOUS, very healthy, has never even
come close to breaking skin, was our easiest ferret  introduction
so far for those he knows, and is kind of like the husband on the
show "Roseanne" in personality.
 
                                        Wonderful   holidays   to
all,                                          Hjalmar,  Meltdown,
Ruffle,                                          'Chopper,  Spot,
and their servants:                                         Sukie
and Steve
 
P.S. Hjalmar was on I.V. for 5 days and a heating pad  that  long
after  op.   Many vets would have given up before then and we are
very happy that ours did not.
 
[Posted in FML issue 0378]

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