Yes, this really is almost entirely OT because it is something to reduce back pain for people 5' 10" and over who like to use the kitchen, but we have ferrets and Colleen has rat terriers so Steve could NOT let them go unmentioned. Isn't he a marvelous ferret slave? I think Telemna ordered him to include them, though it may have been Pivot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZHszUL5CwE or you can see it from <http://tingilinde.typepad.com/starstuff/2009/12/a-bi-more-on-colleenifying-.html> and see my handsome man who has been the center of my universe for almost 31 years (and hubby for almost 30 of those). Sukie (not a vet) Recommended ferret health links: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ferrethealth/ http://ferrethealth.org/archive/ http://www.afip.org/ferrets/index.html http://www.miamiferret.org/ http://www.ferrethealth.msu.edu/ http://www.ferretcongress.org/ http://www.trifl.org/index.shtml http://homepage.mac.com/sukie/sukiesferretlinks.html all ferret topics: http://listserv.ferretmailinglist.org/archives/ferret-search.html [Posted in FML 6563]