There's been an interesting conversation going on at the FHL on spaying, timing of spaying, removing jills from estrus, etc. at: http://www.smartgroups.com/message/viewdiscussion.cfm?gid=1423922 &messageid=5690 and http://www.smartgroups.com/message/viewdiscussion.cfm?gid=1423922 &messageid=5784 Including: http://www.smartgroups.com/message/readmessage.cfm?gid=1423922 &messageid=5801&startid=5802 Just some more info on taking a jill out of heat. Lupron can be used to take a jill out of heat. When she is more stable, and her PCV is close to normal then she can be spayed safely. Hope that helps, Jerry Murray, DVM [Posted in FML issue 4242]